Okay so I just got these in the mail. My first impression is that the packaging felt like a previous opened box. The instructions book was missing and the charging cable was barely twist-tied and just tossed in the box rattling around loose. The headphones were barely sleeved in a standard plastic packaging bag and just placed in the box, similar to the cable, only the box was small enough to keep it from rattling. Charging them now. To see if Bt works. Will update.