# Apple iPhone 12 Pro Max (Open Box) **URL:** \ **Category:** Clearance\ **Created:** [May 1, 2024, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.woot.com/t/apple-iphone-12-pro-max-open-box/1679518 "2024-05-01T15:00:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 2
**Author:** ![ramsespride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/woot/user_avatar/forums.woot.com/ramsespride/32/2789_2.png) [@ramsespride](https://forums.woot.com/u/ramsespride)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.woot.com/t/apple-iphone-12-pro-max-open-box/1679518/2 "2024-05-01T17:07:00Z")
Okay I’m suuuuuuuper confused. According to woot’s OWN grading scale, there is no such thing “Grade A Refurbished Open Box” or “Refurbished Open Box.” As seen below, there is Grade A Refurbished, Refurbished (Grade B), Open Box New and Open Box On Clearance. Let’s just set aside the term “open box” on this listing. Pretend it doesn’t exist and we’re left with “Grade A Refurbished” and “Refurbished” (which according to Woot is Grade B). WHY is a Grade B ($413) item more expensive than a Grade A item ($384)?!?! AND if all the phones meet the standards in orange box, why are there two options with different prices AT ALL? Please please please Woot! Clean up these grading systems and be consistent in how you employ them. It is so unnecessarily confusing! > [@Refurbs! A Glossary](https://forums.woot.com/t/refurbs-a-glossary/757894): > > We sell a lot of refurbished items here on Woot! But sometimes we call them different things. So, in an effort to help explain and inform, here are the types of refurbs we sell: Factory Reconditioned – A “factory reconditioned” item was returned, inspected, and restored to fully working condition by the original manufacturer or a certified partner. Each product comes backed by a manufacturer warranty OR our very own [Woot! Warranty](https://www.woot.com/warranty). It’s as close to new as you can get without technically being “… --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.woot.com/t/apple-iphone-12-pro-max-open-box/1679518)._