Bonny Doon Pinot Noir Vertical (3)

[ddeuddeg]

@InFrom

I think they make a very good point, in terms of what seems to be irking them – the copy asserts that wine can only be shipped to the listed states, which is not true, as we all know. It’s too sweeping a statement. Wine can be shipped to the other states – just not by Wine Woot. Why not just say that?

I think it would save a lot of gnashing of teeth on the part of frustrated, would-be buyers, if that statement could be modified to make it accurate, as I suggest above.

You realize, I’m sure, that underlying what you say here are certain assumptions, including, but not limited to:

1. that the people who engage in the gnashing of teeth and posting of rants will read what’s posted,
2. that they will understand the subtleties thereof.
   The staff people and a number of wooters who understand the laws of the state in which they live have posted explanations countless times that licensing regulations and costs vary from state to state, each winery has to have a license to ship their wine to a particular state, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Yet the rants continue.

[kylemittskus]

Excelsior!

[SmilingBoognish]

@moritzms

Great Pinot at this price point seems difficult. The cheaper ones often are one dimensional and lose the qualities I love about Pinot. If you’ve found some let me know!

Agreed. I did once find a budget priced Pinot that was quite good: D’ontspille le Black by Woot Cellars. It sold out years ago, though…

[InFrom]

@ddeuddeg

You realize, I’m sure, that underlying what you say here are certain assumptions, including, but not limited to:

1. that the people who engage in the gnashing of teeth and posting of rants will read what’s posted,
2. that they will understand the subtleties thereof.
   The staff people and a number of wooters who understand the laws of the state in which they live have posted explanations countless times that licensing regulations and costs vary from state to state, each winery has to have a license to ship their wine to a particular state, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Yet the rants continue.

That’s true, you can’t please all the wooters all the time. Some people will never read, nor take the time to comprehend the basic notions you list in #2. But my suggestion addresses not the people who never read, but the people who do read, closely, and don’t think the current copy sufficiently explains why they can’t get that day’s offer.

I think at least some misunderstanding and annoyance could be avoided if W.Woot could just slightly amend that blanket statement that’s on every offer, that wine can only be shipped to these states. We often see people taking issue with that broad assertion. If Woot were to tighten up their standard language just a little, to more accurately describe the situation (“We are only able to ship this offer to the following states”), it would eliminate at least some of the static. It wouldn’t stop people from asking why their state isn’t on the list, but it might reduce some of the argumentative posts we see from people who are aware that wine can be shipped into their states and are frustrated with the explanation on the page for why they can’t order.

[InFrom]

@kylemittskus

Excelsior!

Our state motto. So glad they don’t pack our wine shipments in it.

[TaylorSwiftsHaircut]

@InFrom

That’s true, you can’t please all the wooters all the time. Some people will never read, nor take the time to comprehend the basic notions you list in #2. But my suggestion addresses not the people who never read, but the people who do read, closely, and don’t think the current copy sufficiently explains why they can’t get that day’s offer.

I think at least some misunderstanding and annoyance could be avoided if W.Woot could just slightly amend that blanket statement that’s on every offer, that wine can only be shipped to these states. We often see people taking issue with that broad assertion. If Woot were to tighten up their standard language just a little, to more accurately describe the situation (“We are only able to ship this offer to the following states”), it would eliminate at least some of the static. It wouldn’t stop people from asking why their state isn’t on the list, but it might reduce some of the argumentative posts we see from people who are aware that wine can be shipped into their states and are frustrated with the explanation on the page for why they can’t order.

I will suggest an edit to the standard copy of our state list. But I cannot make any promises that a change will happen quickly, or at all. I imagine our legal team will probably need to be consulted, and that is never a swift endeavor.

[InFrom]

@TaylorSwiftsHaircut

I will suggest an edit to the standard copy of our state list.

Thanks!

But I cannot make any promises that a change will happen quickly, or at all. I imagine our legal team will probably need to be consulted, and that is never a swift endeavor.

Word.

[joedarsc]

@cortot20

Which vintage?

2013

[Winedavid39]

@InFrom

That’s true, you can’t please all the wooters all the time. Some people will never read, nor take the time to comprehend the basic notions you list in #2. But my suggestion addresses not the people who never read, but the people who do read, closely, and don’t think the current copy sufficiently explains why they can’t get that day’s offer.

I think at least some misunderstanding and annoyance could be avoided if W.Woot could just slightly amend that blanket statement that’s on every offer, that wine can only be shipped to these states. We often see people taking issue with that broad assertion. If Woot were to tighten up their standard language just a little, to more accurately describe the situation (“We are only able to ship this offer to the following states”), it would eliminate at least some of the static. It wouldn’t stop people from asking why their state isn’t on the list, but it might reduce some of the argumentative posts we see from people who are aware that wine can be shipped into their states and are frustrated with the explanation on the page for why they can’t order.

yea, i can see how better wording may be in order. i’ll dig in on this as well.

[BonnyDoonVineyard]

Hi there, Katie here from BDV.

We DO indeed ship to MA and are permitted to do so, so I’m not sure what the issue is and why the customer cannot purchase.

Thanks for your persistence!

@TaylorSwiftsHaircut

I’m sorry, but we can only ship to states where the winery has a license. Each winery is in charge of their own permits and licensing, we only operate on the info they provide us with at the time of the sale. Shipping will vary from sale to sale, even for the same wineries. I know it’s frustrating, but we operate within some very tight legal limitations to continue to bring community members great deals on great wines.

[BonnyDoonVineyard]

750ml

@mls1965

What size are the bottles…?

[BonnyDoonVineyard]

Hi there! I am not sure what the issue is, we ARE permitted to ship to MA, so I have reached out to my contacts at Woot to see how we can get this fixed for you.

Thanks for pointing this out!

Cheers!
Katie @ BDV

@pagilroy

Woot gets it wrong on direct to consumer wine shipping. MA should be on the approved list. I will point this out on every wine woot until they fix it.

Thanks to stick-in-the-mud buzzkilling state legislators, wine may only be delivered to the following states:
California, Colorado, Connecticut, District Of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Wisconsin
If your state’s not on the list, you’re out of luck… for now. Keep up with the ever-changing laws over at ShipCompliantBlog.com, and/or sound the alarms with your state assembly person through FreeTheGrapes.org. Meanwhile, all Federal, state and local laws are complied with in providing this wine.

[BonnyDoonVineyard]

Thank you so much for your kind words, so glad you enjoyed! Sounds like a delicious pairing.

Cheers!

@joedarsc

Received a sample earlier this week. Wine is dark ruby red in color. Nice upfront fruit, and long finish. I had roasted chicken and a baked sweet potatoe with it. Very nice.

[cortot20]

@kylemittskus

Why would PN be more susceptible than other varieties?

I have no idea. I just have noticed it more for pinots.

[BonnyDoonVineyard]

I found out some more information!

Apparently, Woot is not licensed to ship to MA and a few other states.

BDV, however, is licensed to ship to MA, so I would be happy to help place an order for you, if you send me an email at orders@bonnydoonvineyard.com.

Many thanks!
Katie @ BDV

@pagilroy

Woot gets it wrong on direct to consumer wine shipping. MA should be on the approved list. I will point this out on every wine woot until they fix it.

Thanks to stick-in-the-mud buzzkilling state legislators, wine may only be delivered to the following states:
California, Colorado, Connecticut, District Of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Wisconsin
If your state’s not on the list, you’re out of luck… for now. Keep up with the ever-changing laws over at ShipCompliantBlog.com, and/or sound the alarms with your state assembly person through FreeTheGrapes.org. Meanwhile, all Federal, state and local laws are complied with in providing this wine.

[rjquillin]

@BonnyDoonVineyard

I found out some more information!

Apparently, Woot is not licensed to ship to MA and a few other states.

BDV, however, is licensed to ship to MA, so I would be happy to help place an order for you, if you send me an email at orders@bonnydoonvineyard.com.

Many thanks!
Katie @ BDV

Yet another compliance issue regarding third-party shippers ?

[BonnyDoonVineyard]

Yep, the feds never make it easy for us!

@rjquillin

Yet another compliance issue regarding third-party shippers ?

[kylemittskus]

@BonnyDoonVineyard

Yep, the three-tier distribution system and the distributors never make it easy for us!

FIFY.

[cortot20]

@kylemittskus

FIFY.

Excellent work! I knew I liked you.

[Winedavid39]

Good afternoon.

To be clear, Bonny Doon is not the reason MA is not on the list. MA is a fairly recent state addition to the producer direct model. Woot prides itself on being fully compliant (some times annoyingly so for winery participants). So whenever a new state comes up (aka Pennsylvania) woot etc is going to lag behind due to further vetting. “Belt and Suspenders” double assurances kind of thing.

Keep up the good work Bonny Doon.