Woot, lose the windows box, please?


#1

Ok, so I hit woot during the woot-off and get an ISS error!?!? This is supposed to be a geek mecca!?!? Woot, please lose the crappy windows box and move to something that won’t crash on a whim. I was downright emabarrassed to see the ISS moniker (ie oops, I crapped my pants!).


#2

ISS?

International Space Station?

Instutional Shareholder Services?

Imprinted Sportswear Show?

no… has to be International Society for Stereology.
http://www.stereologysociety.org/


#3

Right. IIS. My bad…


#4

IIS compares favorably with Apache performance-wise actually, but the main thing is how your app is programmed. We’re still tweaking ours.

It was the first Woot-Off with the new code, and I’ve made some changes after looking at the performance, so the next one will be better.

http://litespeedtech.com/benchmark.html


#5

Sure. But, you’re still running on top of Windows, which leaks memory like a sieve and runs more overhead than the El (think “The Loop”). When Windows crashes, your app crashes. Linux/Solaris/BSD don’t carry all of the dead weight. You can find the argument all over the internet. It’s not worth having again. Bottom line is that *NIX boxes are more reliable/extensible/manageable, period. Unless you don’t have a staff capable of administering without a mouse…


#6

Just because you dislike windows so much, doesn’t mean we all have to follow suite.

I for one love IIS, and am glad to see a well written site like this using it.


#7

Yeah, it’s definitely not worth arguing with you.


#8

And then I come out of no where and say:

What about a couple of X-serves running osx server?

Other than that, a nice debian cluster would do us all a favor…


#9

I thought woot ran off a Dreamcast cluster in Snapster’s basement…


#10

It did, they upgraded. Sort of.


#11

You really sound like someone that hasn’t used Windows since win95 and WinNT and are basing opinions on what you read rather than personal experience.

On the desktop side of things, WinXP is very stable. The only memory leak issues I have are from poorly written applications. I’ve had Winxp crash once, since I’ve been using it (within a few weeks of the original release). I’ve only reinstalled winxp once and that was because I completely upgraded my computer (everything except the sound card and hard drive). When an app crashes, WinXP continues right on just fine.

On the server side, we run some win2k and win2k3 servers at work. I don’t directly have any involvement with them, but I know that they rarely crash or have any problems. Heck even the Lotus Notes servers (of which Notes is a more bloated app than anything MS can roll out) run 24/7 for months and months without a reboot. Normally upgrades requiring a reboot before any performance-related reboots are done. I like the “when Windows crashes, your app crashes” comment. That comment should be true of any OS. If an OS crashes, it’s dead. If any apps are still running, then part of the OS is still functioning so it hasn’t completely crashed.

I’m not going to say that Windows is always the better option and I don’t even like Microsoft, but from my personal experiences it seems to get the job done more often than not. And to be honest in many situations it’s how well the configuration is done that matters more than the software itself. Thought granted I think a form of UNIX written for the Woot Dreamcast array would likely run better than Windows on it.


#12

I apologize for invading your forum up front, but feel this is worth while and will only take 15 seconds away from a chat.


Give the Gift of Site

Please donate any used pair of prescription glasses to help both children and adults that cannot afford clear vision, to see for the first time.

Not asking for money, just one pair (or as many as you can find laying around [h] ) to help people that cannot afford to see.

I will post pictures and stories from the Sonora, MX mission I will be on in September off site to show you what your contributions meant to the people in need.

Please send them to;

Luxottica Retail
Attn: Woody1
4000 Luxottica Place
Mason, OH 45040

I appreciate woot for allowing this to post, and the person with the most pairs sent in by Sept 12th, (nudge factor coming, and send them all together please, so they can be counted) will get a package worth over $500 including a new Home Toshiba DVD Recorder and Dell 5.1 speaker set. This comes out of my pocket; this is just one of many, and I do mean many, charities I try to support.


#13

I apologize for invading your forum up front, but feel this is worth while and will only take 15 seconds away from a chat.


Give the Gift of Site

Please donate any used pair of prescription glasses to help both children and adults that cannot afford clear vision, to see for the first time.

Not asking for money, just one pair (or as many as you can find laying around [h] ) to help people that cannot afford to see.

I will post pictures and stories from the Sonora, MX mission I will be on in September off site to show you what your contributions meant to the people in need.

Please send them to;

Luxottica Retail
Attn: Woody1
4000 Luxottica Place
Mason, OH 45040

I appreciate woot for allowing this to post, and the person with the most pairs sent in by Sept 12th, (nudge factor coming, and send them all together please, so they can be counted) will get a package worth over $500 including a new Home Toshiba DVD Recorder and Dell 5.1 speaker set. This comes out of my pocket; this is just one of many, and I do mean many, charities I try to support.


#14

ISS?

International Space Station?

Instutional Shareholder Services?

Imprinted Sportswear Show?

no… has to be International Society for Stereology.
http://www.stereologysociety.org/


#15

Right. IIS. My bad…


#16

IIS compares favorably with Apache performance-wise actually, but the main thing is how your app is programmed. We’re still tweaking ours.

It was the first Woot-Off with the new code, and I’ve made some changes after looking at the performance, so the next one will be better.

http://litespeedtech.com/benchmark.html


#17

Sure. But, you’re still running on top of Windows, which leaks memory like a sieve and runs more overhead than the El (think “The Loop”). When Windows crashes, your app crashes. Linux/Solaris/BSD don’t carry all of the dead weight. You can find the argument all over the internet. It’s not worth having again. Bottom line is that *NIX boxes are more reliable/extensible/manageable, period. Unless you don’t have a staff capable of administering without a mouse…


#18

Just because you dislike windows so much, doesn’t mean we all have to follow suite.

I for one love IIS, and am glad to see a well written site like this using it.


#19

Yeah, it’s definitely not worth arguing with you.


#20

And then I come out of no where and say:

What about a couple of X-serves running osx server?

Other than that, a nice debian cluster would do us all a favor…