JVC MiniDV Camcorder with 34x Optical Zoom and Dual Recording

[QUOTE=PeregrinusExpectavi, post:39, topic:185675]
Hmmmm.

How would you edit the video on your PC? What software/hardware would you need?
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If you have a firewire port in your laptop or desktop - simply plug it in and you’re good to go. Windowes comes with editing software but it vacuums.

If you have a Mac you’re all set with the correct prot and iMovie.

I am a PC man and use Pinnacle Studio Moviebox. It’s USB2 HW with s-video, composite video and firewire connector. Comes with great SW called Studio. I am using Studio Ultimate version 12. Way more than what I need, but it works like a charm with what I need to do. Even has a one click upload to YouTube. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=ptufts, post:40, topic:185675]
Quote from the manual says cassette is for movies, SD is for stills:

*p. 20, Dual Rec.

You can capture still images without disturbing the recording in progress … the still image is recorded to the memory card while video is recorded onto the cassette tape.*
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then its lamme, but so is Sony’s ability to make a product that lasts

I dont own this recorder, so you might be right about it not recording to sd, I dont know, it sure sounds stupid to make a video recorder that cant record video onto a memory card. But you made a very misleading comment about sd cards…they can and do hold videos. They come in different speeds also… I have a 150x sd card that will play video very smoothly and with no glitches. you might see quit a few around 60x and they should be good enough for your basic video reading. but the more complex or compressed data will work better on a higher speed sd card. Have you tried and seen if a high speed data card will record? or is it not even set up for something like that?

i’m a paparazzo… i shoot stills … but everyone does video now a days too cuz it sells like pancakes

i think im gonna get it …i was thinking of buying an HD but it doesn’t really matter for my job

grrrrr… so very tempting… refurbished tells me to stay away… and w00ts haven’t been good lately…

grrrrrrrr … well … clicks “I want one”

[QUOTE=kdawg325, post:5, topic:185675]
How does this compare? And how big of an SD Card is needed for 120min of recording?
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Usually most camcoders, depending on format produced. MPEG or AVI. come out to 30-35 minutes per GB. We had a camcorder that put out AVI at 35 per GB others that put out MPEG at 30 mins per GB
So I’d say 4GB

After its on card you can use various formats like .MOV or WMV and compress it from 1gb to like 100MB (Gustimation)
It’s quite a reduction though.

That’s what I’m thinking about buying one for. Rather tempting…

Looking for quality huh? Guess Paparazzi’s don’t care about that, since they’re here looking at $100 camcorders.
Maybe cuz it’s going to get thrown and crushed by bodyguards?

Who you trying to impress? The geeks or geek girls here?

Pros: Color viewfinder, ease of controls ONCE YOU READ THE bleeping INSTRUCTIONS, decent audio… great image stabilization - tapes offer great video (not compressed), some people might like the cute light - and the price is great.

Cons: For $200, it’s not right to “not like” anything about this product. From a past JVC, I can concur that the lens cap will inevitably not “click and stick” like it does brand new, but I will make sure to push in on the tabs and hopefully prevent that.
Summary: I felt a need to “counter” some of the negativity from some people that don’t show a lot of experience with this price/range and type of camcorder. First, ALL internal mic, tape camcorders pick up some amount of noise, because there’s a motor turning. But first timers seem to be hazy regarding this. Second, you can get crappy colors and “faded hues” from ANY camera if you don’t educate yourself by READING THE bleeping MANUAL. There’s such a thing as white balance. Read the instructions, understand it - and set it accordingly. Why do SOME people have videos posted on YouTube with this camera showing GREAT videos? Could it be they got past the hump on the learning curve? There are many people who post reviews and it makes it tough for someone like ME to get an honest evaluation of the product. I BOUGHT the camera because I saw it on clearance, and then I looked it up online before I got “too into it.” I wanted to see that it wasn’t a POS. Of course, I’ve used a JVC before, and it was AWESOME. I recorded much footage four-wheeling, got decent stills from selecting a good frame during playback, etc. Still, after reading some of the people I thought this was a worse camera, possibly. No, it actually has much better zoom, better battery usage - and although the light is marginal - it will at least light up a subject in a dark room - no light at all means no picture at all.
Bottom line is this… When you read REVIEWS by people, I would like to pass on some sage advice I’ve learned. If you see SOME people raving about a product, and others saying “it’s a POS,” consider the operator. If it was truly a POS (piece of garbage, for the older folks) then NOBODY would be posting goodness about it. Obviously, it’s working for SOME people, and others are probably ill-informed, or they are expecting 8 cylinders when they only paid for 4. Do not forget this is not your TV production/news camera. It’s an inexpensive camcorder, and yes - like every other TAPE camcorder I’m aware of - it requires firewire if you want to download footage to your computer. That’s a no-brainer, and the USB is only for the card images. I read somewhere where someone said they “could” use the USB, but it would take FOREVER to download video. I’m not sure of this, but I want to SAY I’m not sure of it. A firewire is an inexpensive cable and most modern computers have a port to accept it. It should not be a “hurdle” to anyone looking to download pics, although apparently some people are enraged that their older computer can’t handle modern equipment. wink

Suffice it to say, I was going to return this because I thought I might like the much cheaper Canon 900 with an external mic plug (in case I wanted to make professional recordings), but I think I’ll be using this more for my son’s football games and just “on the fly” video grabbing. And then it will be nice to snap a frame during playback, if I want, to send to someone. Not EVERYONE wants to see boring video that the shooter thinks is the cat’s meow. And for those complaining about the camera resolution - go buy yourself a cheap camera. This is a VIDEO recorder FIRST - consider the card to capture pics a nifty “toy.” I have a Canon Digital Rebel XT SLR if I want to take awesome, poster-print quality PICTURES. I think I’m going to opt for this JVC because the audio is NOT terrible, and it’s got a great zoom for the money. I’m NOT “stumped” by the colors/quality, because I can read a manual and make necessary white balance adjustments if I’m inside. You can pay HUNDREDS more and get a “smart cam” that does the guesswork for you, but at least this has a manual mode if you want to get past the “color-wash blues.” lol. Again, it is a $200 video recorder, people… I’d like to see some of these reviewers take their ten-thousand dollars and go buy a new Corvette. (rolling eyes). It’s the same concept. Again, I wish to stress - if you see enough people that say a product is GOOD, take the bad reviews with a grain of salt. If they are conclusive - pay more attention. But remember, there were always those who got an “F” on their report, and they usually complained about the class. wink I’m more concerned if people say “it’s not working,” or there is a consensus about poor quality. But people who don’t have a $5.00 firewire cable shouldn’t take their frustrations out on the actual product. If their computer doesn’t handle a piece of modern equipment - they need to upgrade and stop slamming what might be an excellent piece of video equipment for the dollars spent. (Gee, Consumer Reports magazine didn’t give this a single negative mark… so consider that along with the anonymous people who may just be angry that you might have to read the instructions to understand the product). Again, be careful with the lens cover - my last JVC had the “falling off” cap, but I think it was not handled carefully. Use the squeeze-tabs, and maybe this one will last!

[QUOTE=shockey115, post:10, topic:185675]
A refurb camcorder sounds like a terrible combination–too many things, be it sound, color, picture, etc. could go wrong…
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Apparently the menu button and/or joystick is a known weakspot (high failure rate) for this model (see Amazon reviews at http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000MAJU40/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Also, a quick Google search shows that there are refurb’ed units of this model available all over (TigerDirect, CompUSA which is owned by Tiger, Geeks.com, etc.) Makes me nervous…

Thought about picking it up as a backup to our better Sony MiniDV, but backups are supposed to be reliable. No thanks.

[QUOTE=shockey115, post:10, topic:185675]
A refurb camcorder sounds like a terrible combination–too many things, be it sound, color, picture, etc. could go wrong…
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Respiffed is usually better than new. It’s been tested to work like new. Unlike new ones that are looked over, untested except 1 in a 100 and thrown on the market so you can test it. Plus I have Squaretrade warranties on all my new and respiffed goods. They are top notch. They come to your home and have it fixed within 5 days or refund your money or replace it.

[QUOTE=wipper, post:49, topic:185675]
Apparently the menu button and/or joystick is a known weakspot (high failure rate) for this model (see Amazon reviews at http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000MAJU40/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Also, a quick Google search shows that there are refurb’ed units of this model available all over (TigerDirect, CompUSA which is owned by Tiger, Geeks.com, etc.) Makes me nervous…

Thought about picking it up as a backup to our better Sony MiniDV, but backups are supposed to be reliable. No thanks.
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Exactly why you check out next post

Woot. Just wanted to say that. Not that I bought one of these. Woot Woot. Damn that word is catchy. Somebody stop me before I woot again.

Respiffed items are better in some ways. They are usually new items that were visually checked from manufacturer and returned. When refurbished, they put them back to new specifications which means this time they are actually tested and fixed to work like new.

Plus you get a Squaretrade warranty they will fix it within 5 days or they will replace or refund full purchase price.

I highly recommend them

Darnit Woot! I wait patiently for you to sell a camcorder, and then you go and find one that doesn’t have AV in. Blast it all. Next time sell one that is compatible, please!!! here’s a handy list

http://www.xtremerecall.com/compatibility_list_IN.htm

paparazzi look for quality… the audience doesnt … since blurry pictures get published (but…i take quality shit… but i work stills mostly)
my brother convinced me not to buy the cam :stuck_out_tongue: and I stopped using my job as a way to pick-up/impress girls … it just gets annoying … people that love it dont wanna shut up about it … people that hate it always ■■■■■ to you about it …
(ohh and the kanye west thing… that guy is a good friend of mine… im usually in the airport!! but i want the cam for exactly that thing! what if a celeb wants to get nasty!! i need to film it!)

this is a good deal only if I dont have my panansonic already! pass…

The manual states:

So Dual Recording means it will record a snapshot while it records video.

kwchronic,

I respect your opinion about refurbished merchandise; you sound like you’ve had a good experience with refurbs on the whole. As someone who has NOT had pleasant experiences with refurb items (not necessarily from Woot) in the past, I obviously have a different experience base to draw from. Owever, I conclude that they must pay the techs that do this maintenance or repair practically nothing to sell this videocam for $129-149, don’t you think?

Anyway, no AV in is a dealbreaker for me.

Happy wooting…

I don’t see a spec for steady shot. Did I miss it?

I’ve got a two step process. I have a set-top DVD recorder (that I got from Woot, by the way) that I use to record TV programs. I use the AV cable to connect the camcorder to it and dub to a DVD-RW disc, which I then pop into my PC. Then I use my video editing software (Roxio Easy Media Creator) to capture the video to hard drive from the DVD. Will probably get a firewire card to stick in my desktop so I can skip the initial writing to DVD and go straight to the hard drive.