Last time I bought an HP Envy ($799) from woot the freaking hinges broke. Less than 6 months later. No wonder they offer only 90 day warranty. Went online to find out all hp laptops with hinges have the same issue where the right hinge breaks first. This Omen HP doesn’t seems to have hinges but I would certainly be wary of anything with HP name on it. Their manufacturing has gone down the shitter and they make junk.
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Has terrible screen bleeding and died in 2.weeks of use. Woot gave me a full refund and was awesome about it. I would avoid this brand. Also worth noting these are $1000 in most best buy locations brand new. They also come with the new power brick version which is much smaller and lighter and gets less hot. The one from woot came with the old brick and it’s a brick.
I just don’t get HP engineering. Gaming laptop, performance GPU, I7, Full HD display- yet a spinner for a HD. Yeah I know it’s real easy to add an SSD to this laptop (M.2 slot), but it’s like buying a Cadillac with roll-up windows. With the low cost of SSDs and display panels all laptops should have at least 1920x1080P resolution and an SSD drive. No excuses for anything else, especially on a gaming laptop.
Good processor, crappy graphics chip (on both models) Close, but no dice.
The RX580 is not a crappy graphics chip. At this laptop cost and considering the limitations of mobile graphics it’s pretty decent. It can handle VR fine. To get significantly better GPU in a laptop you’ll end up at least doubling this price. If you’re that into gaming you should be using a desktop solution anyway.
The left hinge on my Woot refurb Envy broke 2 years after purchase with bits of plastic rattling around and sometimes jamming the cooling fan. I finally opened it and fixed the hinge by tightening a loose screw, but part of a plastic mount was already broken for the 2nd screw, which compromised that hinge. Between that and a bad mono on another Elite HP lappy, I have a hard time trusting the brand anymore.
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I have been checking out computers for the last 2 years and i keep thinking this is the end for spinning drives, but no, they just keep putting them in…why? It is not a cost issue anymore.
A SSD makes a HUGE improvement. I bought a HP Y7C72AV with a SSD a year ago and will never go back to a spinner.
laptop gaming is and always will be an oxymoron.
For “real” portable gaming I would suggest a laptop with a nice display with Thunderbolt 3 and an eGPU, but those set-ups are still a bit flakey, or you go with a mini-itx LAN RIG and do it old school. You’re right that mobile GPU’s can’t compete with high end desktop GPU’s when you’re comparing current technology.
I bought this laptop from Woot a month ago and love it. Every game I put on it plays great with all the graphical settings maxed out.
Some caveats I’d point out though. Description states 120Hz monitor but is only 60Hz. 60Hz is fine in this case since most of the games run no faster than 60fps so it should match up fine. Woot’s picture shows a cutout for an optical drive but in reality there is no cutout. You’ll have make your own cutout of the chassis if you wish to install an internal optical drive. Finally, these laptops are supposed to have AMD Freesync monitors but it’s 50/50 whether or not you’ll actually get one. Mine came with no Freesync but I ordered 2 more from Woot and those came with it.
Now for the good. It has a slot for an M.2 drive so you can upgrade to an NVMe SSD for 3500MB/s read and 2100MB/s write speeds. It also has a Thunderbolt 3.0 port so you can connect an eGPU dock so you can upgrade it with future desktop graphics cards when the RX580 is no longer top stuff.
All in all, this is a decent laptop for decent price.
It’s all basic consumer economics.
There is really only one reason for putting a 1TB spinner and 768 display in a modern computer instead of a 250GB SSD and 1080 display and that is without doing so almost no one would ever buy laptop for more than about 400 bucks.
Imagine Best Buy puts out three laptops out side by side on display ready for someone to test. One is an 8th generation i7 with 16 GB of memory, a 1TB SSD with a really nice 4K display and discrete graphics card. The second is an base level modern quad core Pentium with 4 GB of memory, a 256 SDD and a cheap 1080 display. The third is the exact same Pentium but with a spinner and a 768 display. Pricing based off cost of manufacture would be around $1200, $400 and $300. The customer is going to see the i7 laptop is the best but the perceived difference between it and the SSD Pentium will be minimal. On the other hand the perceived difference between the SSD Pentium and the HD Pentium is going to be vast. Unless the customer comes into Best Buy knowing they have an exact need for some hardware requirements or they have a set price they cannot go above there is no way they are leaving the store with the highest or lowest priced computer.
I understand why they do not put large SSDs into laptops because they are still expensive, but why not small ones. I would much rather have a 256 MB SSD (or even a 128 GB) than a 1 TB spinner, and the cost is not much more. You even said only $100 more for the SSD and 1080P resolution screen. Maybe still use spinners in the $300 (and less) laptops but nothing else.
Oops, typo i meant 256 GB
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I see where your coming from that they are trying to create an additional market tier. From an efficiency standpoint if you limit the models carried, it’s more efficient for both the manufacturer and the wholesaler/retailer. The $300 could be easily scrapped because the $400 model is really about the same cost to manufacture especially if you consider getting rid of one of the lines. Between the $1200 and the $400 those two are far enough apart in specs that their market share would remain intact because people shopping for a high end device are focusing on those specs whereas the other shoppers are either looking for basic functionality or can’t afford the higher cost laptop. I agree your point is accurate on creating the marketing tier, I just think it could be done more effectively and efficiently by reducing the number of model variants and providing better specs with the models you keep.
It’s not about selling the 300 or 400 dollar laptop. It’s about selling you the 800 dollar laptop that fits nicely between the spinner low res $300 machine and the $1200 high end gaming quality laptop. I only put in the i7 laptop in my example just to point out that the performance difference to average consumer between a low end SSD full HD Pentium laptop and it is not enough to justify the even a couple of hundred dollar price difference. It’s even worse with the 800 dollar i5 laptop that has a 500GB SSD 8GB of ram and an IPS FHD display. If a manufacturer has a 25% margin on each laptop they make $100 more on the $800 dollar laptop and though they’ll sell more $400 laptops than $800 laptops they aren’t going to sell twice as many.
As I wrote in the response above it’s not about selling you the $1200 i7 laptop instead of the $400 SSD FHD Pentium laptop. It’s about making the average consumer shun the “crappy” $300 computer because the $800 i5 with SSD and FHD is soooo much better.
OK, but at some point that will change. I am the cheapest guy on the planet, but even i will not buy a computer with an internal spinning drive anymore. For storage, i just buy the external USB spinning drives.
But by even being aware of this makes you an exception and not who the manufacturers are catering to. Since the advent of Windows 10 and the ease of swapping drives it doesn’t bother me to buy a computer with a spinning disk if I can get it for 100 bucks less than a comparable one with a SSD.
BTW you know what sucks more than a 768 screen or a spinning disk on a 300 dollar computer? The 100 MB Ethernet port. That cannot save the manufacturer more 50 cents a device.